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		<title>By: bruce waymack</title>
		<link>http://matthew25.org/2009/11/psalm-1098-and-violent-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-12668</link>
		<dc:creator>bruce waymack</dc:creator>
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		<description>Reply to Philip’s post of Nov. 19th:
…”To wish destruction on our personal enemies is sin. To wish judgment to come on God’s enemies is righteous. Read Gal. 5:12: “I [Paul] could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!” (NKJV) Is Paul praying that these Judaizers would be castrated? That their children would be cut out of God’s promises? Either way, he’s praying for judgment on God’s enemies.”…

New Testament scripture, as recorded by Peter and Paul, says that God wishes none should perish II Pet. 3:9, I Tim. 2:3 (perish same as destruction – II Thes. 1:9 and Jn. 3:16-17). The words of Jesus, as recorded by his closest disciple John, echo this as well in Jn.13:32.  It is interesting that most scripture you quote in support of your view is from the Old Testament.  You mention ‘destruction’ and’ judgment’ applied to ‘personal’ and ‘God’s’ enemies.  Then you tell us which is sin and which is righteous.  Using just the sermon on the mount from Jesus as recorded in Matt.5, I certainly agree with you that wishing destruction on one’s personal enemies is sin – against the will or wishes of God, as revealed to us through Jesus Christ, the savior of the whole world (I Jn. 2:2).  Then you mention judgment of God’s enemies.  Judgment is up to God and it is up to God to determine who His enemies are.  The book of Revelation makes plain that Jesus is judge.  We might think we know His enemies, but it would be ‘phariseeically’ presumptuous for us to proclaim to others that someone is “God’s enemy’.  And by ‘wishing judgment’ it is not clear whether you are calling for correction or punishment or death or just God’s assessment of someone.  Of course as you cannot know what God’s righteous judgment would be in any given situation for any given person for sure; asking God to bring about his justice is good, as God will always do the right thing, even if it surprises you and He judges president Obama as his friend and saved child and finds him trying his hardest to bring about good in this country and the world.  But when you call for God’s judgment on someone publically to other people, you are in effect sending out a trumpet call for any who feel led to be “God’s instruments” in carrying out “his will”, that you have basically already decided for them (as in Psa. 109:8-10). You are accountable for your words as both Jesus and his brother James pointed out.  Jesus even said by your words you could be condemned.  So I am saying you should be fearfully reserved in publically proclaiming any person to be ‘God’s enemy’.  You are making an assessment that Paul was calling for God’s judgment on the Judiazers in Gal. 5:12.  Paul was obviously perturbed over some Jews trying to convince new Christian converts in Galatia that they needed to go back to the Old Testament law, away from the freedom of Christ, and have all males circumcised.  It is ironic that you use this verse to try and take people back to the Old Testament mindset by then using portions of Psalms (which are man’s words to God, not God’s words to man in these instances) to make the case the president Obama somehow fits into this mindset of being an evil leader and God’s enemy and it is righteous to call for severe physical ‘judgments’ as called for by David for some bad people in Old Testament Israel times.   Paul may well be lamenting in his letter that he would just as soon those of the circumcision party just worry about making sure they cut their own foreskins off and just leave followers of Jesus alone.  I disagree with you that it is obvious Paul is calling for ‘judgment’ or even that he is speaking to God (praying for something).  Jesus brought a New Covenant. The Old has passed away, as the book of Hebrews says over and over.  The manifestation of God’s judgment that we often see recorded in Old Testament times involving the physical nation of Israel has changed with the coming of Jesus and the New Covenant.  Look at the basic teachings of Jesus in Matt.5:21,27,31,33,38,43, etc..  “…you have heard it said (Old Testament mindset)….but I say to you… (New Testament perspective with the grace of Jesus).   Jesus did not tell us to call for the same things on enemies David called for on enemies.  Same God, but different covenant and therefore a different mindset and perspective.  After the death and resurrection of Jesus, the sins of the world have been forgiven and the world has been reconciled to God.    With this greatest expression of God’s love to us, God now calls us to show great expressions of love and grace to all other people.  We may know who our personal enemies are and should deal with them in a manner as close to what Jesus said as is humanly possible for us.   It is left to Jesus as the only, the only, inerrant righteous judge to determine who is ‘God’s enemy’ and how and when any ‘judgment’ from him will come.  Revelation makes it clear that Jesus will destroy all the ‘enemies’ that enslave us and drag us away from him.  The enemies of God seem to be mostly systems of beliefs and mindsets that cause/lead us to act in ways contrary to Jesus and his love.  And of course the wicked spirits that back these wrong systems of beliefs are enemies to be eliminated in the end by Jesus.  With the free will that God gives to all, there may be some or many people in the end who have to be eliminated by Jesus – I hope and pray that is minimal.   

…”Here is a biblical prayer concerning Mr. Obama. Note how the psalmist connects imprecations in the first half with spiritual warmth in these second half. Too bad we don’t have this biblical balance.”…
…”Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God! Depart from me, therefore, you bloodthirsty men. For they speak against You wickedly; Your enemies take Your name in vain. Do I not hate them, O LORD, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them my enemies. Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties; And see if there is any wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting. (Psa. 139:19–24 NKJV). “…

There is no evidence presented to support that this biblical prayer has anything to do with president Obama.  And I don’t really see spiritual warmth in saying that “I hate them with perfect hatred”…(compare Matt. 5:43-45)  God may well have answered David’s last request and corrected his loathing in this case.  God may have shown him to hate the evil and not the person(s).  Either way, this is David speaking his mind to God in Old Testament Israel times – it has nothing directly to do with president Obama today and the context in which you are using it does not lead us down the road of Christian virtue and perspective and mindset as expressed by Jesus, who is the Word of God, and his disciples who wrote the New Testament.  Your use of this verse does not lead us down the road of Jesus’ teachings nor down the road of the fruits of the Holy Spirit (as expressed in Gal.5).  You seem to be implying that president Obama should been slain by God, and that he is bloodthirsty, wicked and takes God name in vain, and that we should hate and loathe him.  Yes, we do need Biblical balance – we need it badly.  And yes we should heed David’s ending and ask to be lead by God in the way everlasting – which is the way of Jesus (Jn.14:6, 5:39-40).  Jesus is my personal savior, lord and friend, and I am absolutely convinced He is not calling for what you seem to be or what those who display praying Psa.108:8-10 for president Obama seem to be calling for.  

…”And here is what any good Christian should say to Mr. Obama, if he got the chance:
Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him. (Psa. 2:10–12 NKJV).”…

Yes, we should pray for wisdom for our leaders and that they have a relationship with God’s son – as president Obama does.  He is a professing Christian.  It does not seem that you are implying consistent messages with Psa.139 and Psa 2, unless again you are implying that president Obama is making God angry and on the verge of perishing.  And of this view, you offer no evidence or support.

…”We should pray that Mr. Obama repents.”…

Exactly what is it that you are saying president Obama should repent of?  Equal pay for equal work?  Equal rights for all Americans? Concern for the environment?  Desire for community service?  Those with more helping those with less?  Healthcare for all?  End of torture and abuse?  Diplomacy with other nations rather than war?  All of these things would seem consistent with basic Christianity as taught in the New Testament.  Sure we all need to repent of personal sins and mistakes and failures – you and me and president Obama. But what are the things that president Obama needs to repent of that, at least in some people’s minds, make him an ‘enemy of God’ and calls for his removal, death, or other judgment?   To make such a serious public case on the highest leader in our country, one really needs to have a lot more concrete support than you present.  And in making such a public case, one has to take responsibility, in part, for whatever their words incite others to do that may be wrong.  Meditate on what our Lord said – blessed are those who are merciful, blessed are those who work for peace, blessed are those with a pure heart, if you curse or judge another you risk judgment of/on yourself, and pray for your enemies for God sends the rain on the just and the unjust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to Philip’s post of Nov. 19th:<br />
…”To wish destruction on our personal enemies is sin. To wish judgment to come on God’s enemies is righteous. Read Gal. 5:12: “I [Paul] could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!” (NKJV) Is Paul praying that these Judaizers would be castrated? That their children would be cut out of God’s promises? Either way, he’s praying for judgment on God’s enemies.”…</p>
<p>New Testament scripture, as recorded by Peter and Paul, says that God wishes none should perish II Pet. 3:9, I Tim. 2:3 (perish same as destruction – II Thes. 1:9 and Jn. 3:16-17). The words of Jesus, as recorded by his closest disciple John, echo this as well in Jn.13:32.  It is interesting that most scripture you quote in support of your view is from the Old Testament.  You mention ‘destruction’ and’ judgment’ applied to ‘personal’ and ‘God’s’ enemies.  Then you tell us which is sin and which is righteous.  Using just the sermon on the mount from Jesus as recorded in Matt.5, I certainly agree with you that wishing destruction on one’s personal enemies is sin – against the will or wishes of God, as revealed to us through Jesus Christ, the savior of the whole world (I Jn. 2:2).  Then you mention judgment of God’s enemies.  Judgment is up to God and it is up to God to determine who His enemies are.  The book of Revelation makes plain that Jesus is judge.  We might think we know His enemies, but it would be ‘phariseeically’ presumptuous for us to proclaim to others that someone is “God’s enemy’.  And by ‘wishing judgment’ it is not clear whether you are calling for correction or punishment or death or just God’s assessment of someone.  Of course as you cannot know what God’s righteous judgment would be in any given situation for any given person for sure; asking God to bring about his justice is good, as God will always do the right thing, even if it surprises you and He judges president Obama as his friend and saved child and finds him trying his hardest to bring about good in this country and the world.  But when you call for God’s judgment on someone publically to other people, you are in effect sending out a trumpet call for any who feel led to be “God’s instruments” in carrying out “his will”, that you have basically already decided for them (as in Psa. 109:8-10). You are accountable for your words as both Jesus and his brother James pointed out.  Jesus even said by your words you could be condemned.  So I am saying you should be fearfully reserved in publically proclaiming any person to be ‘God’s enemy’.  You are making an assessment that Paul was calling for God’s judgment on the Judiazers in Gal. 5:12.  Paul was obviously perturbed over some Jews trying to convince new Christian converts in Galatia that they needed to go back to the Old Testament law, away from the freedom of Christ, and have all males circumcised.  It is ironic that you use this verse to try and take people back to the Old Testament mindset by then using portions of Psalms (which are man’s words to God, not God’s words to man in these instances) to make the case the president Obama somehow fits into this mindset of being an evil leader and God’s enemy and it is righteous to call for severe physical ‘judgments’ as called for by David for some bad people in Old Testament Israel times.   Paul may well be lamenting in his letter that he would just as soon those of the circumcision party just worry about making sure they cut their own foreskins off and just leave followers of Jesus alone.  I disagree with you that it is obvious Paul is calling for ‘judgment’ or even that he is speaking to God (praying for something).  Jesus brought a New Covenant. The Old has passed away, as the book of Hebrews says over and over.  The manifestation of God’s judgment that we often see recorded in Old Testament times involving the physical nation of Israel has changed with the coming of Jesus and the New Covenant.  Look at the basic teachings of Jesus in Matt.5:21,27,31,33,38,43, etc..  “…you have heard it said (Old Testament mindset)….but I say to you… (New Testament perspective with the grace of Jesus).   Jesus did not tell us to call for the same things on enemies David called for on enemies.  Same God, but different covenant and therefore a different mindset and perspective.  After the death and resurrection of Jesus, the sins of the world have been forgiven and the world has been reconciled to God.    With this greatest expression of God’s love to us, God now calls us to show great expressions of love and grace to all other people.  We may know who our personal enemies are and should deal with them in a manner as close to what Jesus said as is humanly possible for us.   It is left to Jesus as the only, the only, inerrant righteous judge to determine who is ‘God’s enemy’ and how and when any ‘judgment’ from him will come.  Revelation makes it clear that Jesus will destroy all the ‘enemies’ that enslave us and drag us away from him.  The enemies of God seem to be mostly systems of beliefs and mindsets that cause/lead us to act in ways contrary to Jesus and his love.  And of course the wicked spirits that back these wrong systems of beliefs are enemies to be eliminated in the end by Jesus.  With the free will that God gives to all, there may be some or many people in the end who have to be eliminated by Jesus – I hope and pray that is minimal.   </p>
<p>…”Here is a biblical prayer concerning Mr. Obama. Note how the psalmist connects imprecations in the first half with spiritual warmth in these second half. Too bad we don’t have this biblical balance.”…<br />
…”Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God! Depart from me, therefore, you bloodthirsty men. For they speak against You wickedly; Your enemies take Your name in vain. Do I not hate them, O LORD, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them my enemies. Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties; And see if there is any wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting. (Psa. 139:19–24 NKJV). “…</p>
<p>There is no evidence presented to support that this biblical prayer has anything to do with president Obama.  And I don’t really see spiritual warmth in saying that “I hate them with perfect hatred”…(compare Matt. 5:43-45)  God may well have answered David’s last request and corrected his loathing in this case.  God may have shown him to hate the evil and not the person(s).  Either way, this is David speaking his mind to God in Old Testament Israel times – it has nothing directly to do with president Obama today and the context in which you are using it does not lead us down the road of Christian virtue and perspective and mindset as expressed by Jesus, who is the Word of God, and his disciples who wrote the New Testament.  Your use of this verse does not lead us down the road of Jesus’ teachings nor down the road of the fruits of the Holy Spirit (as expressed in Gal.5).  You seem to be implying that president Obama should been slain by God, and that he is bloodthirsty, wicked and takes God name in vain, and that we should hate and loathe him.  Yes, we do need Biblical balance – we need it badly.  And yes we should heed David’s ending and ask to be lead by God in the way everlasting – which is the way of Jesus (Jn.14:6, 5:39-40).  Jesus is my personal savior, lord and friend, and I am absolutely convinced He is not calling for what you seem to be or what those who display praying Psa.108:8-10 for president Obama seem to be calling for.  </p>
<p>…”And here is what any good Christian should say to Mr. Obama, if he got the chance:<br />
Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him. (Psa. 2:10–12 NKJV).”…</p>
<p>Yes, we should pray for wisdom for our leaders and that they have a relationship with God’s son – as president Obama does.  He is a professing Christian.  It does not seem that you are implying consistent messages with Psa.139 and Psa 2, unless again you are implying that president Obama is making God angry and on the verge of perishing.  And of this view, you offer no evidence or support.</p>
<p>…”We should pray that Mr. Obama repents.”…</p>
<p>Exactly what is it that you are saying president Obama should repent of?  Equal pay for equal work?  Equal rights for all Americans? Concern for the environment?  Desire for community service?  Those with more helping those with less?  Healthcare for all?  End of torture and abuse?  Diplomacy with other nations rather than war?  All of these things would seem consistent with basic Christianity as taught in the New Testament.  Sure we all need to repent of personal sins and mistakes and failures – you and me and president Obama. But what are the things that president Obama needs to repent of that, at least in some people’s minds, make him an ‘enemy of God’ and calls for his removal, death, or other judgment?   To make such a serious public case on the highest leader in our country, one really needs to have a lot more concrete support than you present.  And in making such a public case, one has to take responsibility, in part, for whatever their words incite others to do that may be wrong.  Meditate on what our Lord said – blessed are those who are merciful, blessed are those who work for peace, blessed are those with a pure heart, if you curse or judge another you risk judgment of/on yourself, and pray for your enemies for God sends the rain on the just and the unjust.</p>
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		<title>By: James G. Gilmore</title>
		<link>http://matthew25.org/2009/11/psalm-1098-and-violent-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-12380</link>
		<dc:creator>James G. Gilmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please tell me exactly who gave you the authority to declare certain people to be &quot;God&#039;s enemies&quot;?  By exactly what standard have you determined that it&#039;s okay to pray God&#039;s curses upon President Obama?  Do we all get to declare someone to be &quot;God&#039;s enemy&quot; and thus justify any form of un-Christian hate against them?  You also present a &quot;biblical prayer concerning Mr. Obama,&quot; in which you again tie him to &quot;the wicked&quot; that God wants slain.  Who gave you the authority to say that that Biblical prayer &quot;concerns Mr. Obama&quot;?

More importantly, though, you seem to have missed the point of my post entirely, which is that not only is it completely unworthy of Christianity to pray an imprecatory psalm against one&#039;s political opponents, but it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;dangerous&lt;/i&gt; - because there are those out there who will take words like yours about the President being &quot;God&#039;s enemy&quot; (words that, I&#039;ll note, are presented with &lt;i&gt;absolutely no justification&lt;/i&gt;) and turn them into what they will see as wholly righteous violence.  

We saw this with the assassination of Dr. Tiller, who for years had been demonized by the Right until Scott Roeder decided that it was time to take matters into his own hands.  The violent words used toward Dr. Tiller resulted in violent actions and a brutal murder.  As James writes, the tongue is a small rudder that steers a large ship; if it&#039;s deemed okay by Christians today to pray that Michelle Obama is made a widow and Sasha and Malia fatherless beggars, someone will deem it okay tomorrow to go a step further than just praying that and take matters into his or her own hands.

We must work to help our fellow Christians tame their tongues.  To pray a curse against the President simply because we disagree with his political positions is not at all of Christ.  Such prayers are a defamation of Christ, a poison to the image we should be presenting in the world - that of a people of self-sacrificial love and radical acceptance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please tell me exactly who gave you the authority to declare certain people to be &#8220;God&#8217;s enemies&#8221;?  By exactly what standard have you determined that it&#8217;s okay to pray God&#8217;s curses upon President Obama?  Do we all get to declare someone to be &#8220;God&#8217;s enemy&#8221; and thus justify any form of un-Christian hate against them?  You also present a &#8220;biblical prayer concerning Mr. Obama,&#8221; in which you again tie him to &#8220;the wicked&#8221; that God wants slain.  Who gave you the authority to say that that Biblical prayer &#8220;concerns Mr. Obama&#8221;?</p>
<p>More importantly, though, you seem to have missed the point of my post entirely, which is that not only is it completely unworthy of Christianity to pray an imprecatory psalm against one&#8217;s political opponents, but it&#8217;s <i>dangerous</i> &#8211; because there are those out there who will take words like yours about the President being &#8220;God&#8217;s enemy&#8221; (words that, I&#8217;ll note, are presented with <i>absolutely no justification</i>) and turn them into what they will see as wholly righteous violence.  </p>
<p>We saw this with the assassination of Dr. Tiller, who for years had been demonized by the Right until Scott Roeder decided that it was time to take matters into his own hands.  The violent words used toward Dr. Tiller resulted in violent actions and a brutal murder.  As James writes, the tongue is a small rudder that steers a large ship; if it&#8217;s deemed okay by Christians today to pray that Michelle Obama is made a widow and Sasha and Malia fatherless beggars, someone will deem it okay tomorrow to go a step further than just praying that and take matters into his or her own hands.</p>
<p>We must work to help our fellow Christians tame their tongues.  To pray a curse against the President simply because we disagree with his political positions is not at all of Christ.  Such prayers are a defamation of Christ, a poison to the image we should be presenting in the world &#8211; that of a people of self-sacrificial love and radical acceptance.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Larson</title>
		<link>http://matthew25.org/2009/11/psalm-1098-and-violent-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-12377</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To wish destruction on our personal enemies is sin. To wish judgment to come on God&#039;s enemies is righteous. Read Gal. 5:12: &quot;I [Paul] could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!&quot; (NKJV) Is Paul praying that these Judaizers would be castrated? That their children would be cut out of God&#039;s promises? Either way, he&#039;s praying for judgment on God&#039;s enemies.

Here is a biblical prayer concerning Mr. Obama. Note how the psalmist connects imprecations in the first half with spiritual warmth in these second half. Too bad we don&#039;t have this biblical balance.

Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God! Depart from me, therefore, you bloodthirsty men. For they speak against You wickedly; Your enemies take Your name in vain. Do I not hate them, O LORD, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them my enemies. Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties; And see if there is any wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting. (Psa. 139:19–24 NKJV)

And here is what any good Christian should say to Mr. Obama, if he got the chance:

Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him. (Psa. 2:10–12 NKJV)

We should pray that Mr. Obama repents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To wish destruction on our personal enemies is sin. To wish judgment to come on God&#8217;s enemies is righteous. Read Gal. 5:12: &#8220;I [Paul] could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!&#8221; (NKJV) Is Paul praying that these Judaizers would be castrated? That their children would be cut out of God&#8217;s promises? Either way, he&#8217;s praying for judgment on God&#8217;s enemies.</p>
<p>Here is a biblical prayer concerning Mr. Obama. Note how the psalmist connects imprecations in the first half with spiritual warmth in these second half. Too bad we don&#8217;t have this biblical balance.</p>
<p>Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God! Depart from me, therefore, you bloodthirsty men. For they speak against You wickedly; Your enemies take Your name in vain. Do I not hate them, O LORD, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them my enemies. Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties; And see if there is any wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting. (Psa. 139:19–24 NKJV)</p>
<p>And here is what any good Christian should say to Mr. Obama, if he got the chance:</p>
<p>Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him. (Psa. 2:10–12 NKJV)</p>
<p>We should pray that Mr. Obama repents.</p>
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		<title>By: bruce waymack</title>
		<link>http://matthew25.org/2009/11/psalm-1098-and-violent-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-12365</link>
		<dc:creator>bruce waymack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to and thanks for all of what you said James.  The &quot;anti-Obama&quot; propaganda/rhetoric is/has gotten way out of hand and is becoming dangerous to our country and our reputation as ambassadors of Jesus Christ.  And I see you watch the Rachel Maddow show too.  I have read Shaeffers book &#039;Crazy for God&#039; and I need to get his latest one, of which I have already forgotten the title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to and thanks for all of what you said James.  The &#8220;anti-Obama&#8221; propaganda/rhetoric is/has gotten way out of hand and is becoming dangerous to our country and our reputation as ambassadors of Jesus Christ.  And I see you watch the Rachel Maddow show too.  I have read Shaeffers book &#8216;Crazy for God&#8217; and I need to get his latest one, of which I have already forgotten the title.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Baker-Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Baker-Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Thanks for sharing.  More people need to be made aware of stuff like this.</description>
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